Posted by
The Crawfish on Friday, July 25, 2008 8:46:25 AM
It is amazing to what extent the Obamessiah's minions will lie to the American public in order to defend him.
WASHINGTON — The following is a partial transcript of the July 20, 2008, edition of "FOX News Sunday With Chris Wallace": With a lot of unnecessary dialogue snipped away by The Crawfish
"FOX NEWS SUNDAY" HOST CHRIS WALLACE: Joining us now to talk about Senator Obama's trip and its effect on the presidential campaign, two key supporters who are on the vice presidential watch lists — Senator Joe Lieberman, an independent Democrat who supports McCain, and Senator Evan Bayh, who backs Obama.
And, Senators, welcome back to "FOX News Sunday".
WALLACE: Admiral Mullen didn't mention Obama, but he did say this idea of a timetable for getting out in two years is dangerous. Why not agree that you're going to make any decisions based on conditions on the ground, Senator?
BAYH: Chris, I think it's important to note that Barack Obama's judgment about these issues has been excellent from the beginning, the kind of judgment you'd want in a commander in chief, and others are now beginning to adopt his positions.
SAY WHAT? He opposed the Surge, but his judgement has been excellent? Everybody except Obama and the Dim-ocrat Congressional leaders has noticed that the Surge has worked, and that might allow us to start pulling troops out earlier than expected.
We wouldn't be discussing surges in Iraq or anything else if Barack had had his way. We wouldn't have started that war to begin with.
If Barack had had his way, we'd have pulled out and surrendered to Sadr, AQ, and Iran this past March, and he would not have been able to make this trip safely.
He was right about Afghanistan. That's the place from which we were attacked. He's been calling for more troops there now for over a year. And John McCain, to his credit, has now come around and adopted Barack's point of view on that.
McCain has been calling for more troops in Afghanistan for quite a while as well.
He has been for, as you say, a phased withdrawal from Iraq. As we heard, Prime Minister Maliki has embraced a more definitive time line, whether it's the 16 months or something else. But clearly, they want a more definitive time line.
He was for a complete pullout by March of this year.
And even President Bush now is coming up with a variety of euphemisms — aspirational goals, time horizons. I mean, it's starting to sound pretty much like a timeline to me.
We always have goals for when military operations can end, but events on the ground or at sea can always change them.
So it's common sense, Chris. Any important enterprise, certainly something as important as a war — you want to have a plan. And a plan has to have some idea of what it's going to cost, what the adverse consequences are going to be and how long it's going to take.
Did FDR have a cost plan and timetable for WW2? Of course not, moron.
So 16 months seems to be a reasonable goal. Let's work toward that. Let's bring this to a conclusion in a responsible way and focus on Iraq (sic) where the focus should have been all along.
WALLACE: But, Senator Bayh, even the Washington Post criticized Obama this week for — and let's put it up on the screen — his iron timetable, accusing him of foolish consistency and that he's ultimately indifferent to the war's outcome.
And here's an exchange between Obama and McCain this week.
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OBAMA: We can safely redeploy our combat brigades at a pace that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010.
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MCCAIN: I'm really astonished that he should give a policy speech on Iraq and Afghanistan before he goes to find out the facts.
Point to McLame.
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WALLACE: Again, two questions, really, Senator Bayh. Why the, quote, "iron timetable" that the Washington Post talks about? And secondly, this issue — why announce your policy before you go to Iraq and talk to the generals and the Iraqis?
BAYH: A couple of things, Chris. First, General Petraeus was asked recently about whether a 16-month period was a reasonable period of time, and he said it would depend on a variety of factors. He didn't say it was unreasonable.
He didn’t say it was reasonable either.
We've been there — will have been — 16 months from when the next president is inaugurated, almost seven years. We've spent $700 billion. Just think of all the other things we could have done — finished Afghanistan, energy security for our country — with those amount of resources.
We’ve been in Germany for how long? As for energy security, how come your party has not let us drill for our own oil over the past 30 years?
What's really surprising is that John, a man I admire and respect, says that even knowing there were no weapons of mass destruct in Iraq, knowing all the consequences that have been adverse in Afghanistan because of our fixation on Iraq, he would do this all over again. That's what is really surprising.
But Obama has said he would NOT support the Surge if he could go back and do it again, just because Bush’s policies are wrong. Success is not supportable simply because W was responsible. And THAT is the official position of the Dim-ocrat leadership.
So Barack thinks that 16 months from January is a reasonable period of time. Let's go for it. Let's see. Let's try and bring this to a conclusion on that time frame. If there are difficulties, we'll address them when they arise.
Besides, Obama wouldn’t be able to go to Iraq for his media extravaganza if his own plans had been implemented.
LIEBERMAN: The reality is if we lost in Iraq, which Obama was prepared to do, we would go to Afghanistan as losers. Instead, Al Qaeda has its tail tucked between its legs as it's exiting Iraq to go — to try to...
WALLACE: I'm going to...
BAYH: I have to respond to that. Barack Obama was not for losing in Iraq. Barack didn't want the war to begin with.
But since we were there, he decided he wanted us to lose instead of win.
BAYH: And now you have Maliki, even President Bush, are moving toward Barack Obama's position on this. His judgment was right.
No. His judgement was that the Surge would never work and he refuses to this day to admit that it has worked.
LIEBERMAN: Those questions — bottom line, no question that Barack Obama was prepared to lose in Iraq.
BAYH: That's not true.
Yes, Senator Bayh, it is very much true.
WALLACE: I want to ask Senator Bayh about another aspect of Obama's trip.
He plans to make a big public speech in Berlin. There was first talk it was going to be at the Brandenburg Gate. They announced today it's going to be at the Victory Column, a golden column in the heart of downtown Berlin.
Why would someone running for president of the United States hold a big rally in Germany? Wouldn't it be like a candidate for German chancellor holding a rally in front of the Statue of Liberty?
Not to mention that the column was put in it’s present position and additions made to it raising it to it’s current height by……..Adolf Hitler and Albert Speer! Oh, and Obama is the candidate of UNITY and PEACE, while that column celebrates German CONQUESTS!
BAYH: A couple of things, Chris. First, getting back to Iraq, I just have to disagree once again. Barack Obama is for success in Iraq. His judgment about this was right from the beginning.
If he is for success, then why does he continue to oppose the Surge, which has led to success? Why does he want to pull out no matter what the actual situation on the ground is?
BAYH: Now, with regard to Germany, look. I was with Barack the last time he made one of these trips to Iraq. We met with the Iraqi president, the prime minister, our generals, our ambassadors. He was very substantive, very knowledgeable about the challenges that we face.
What does that have to do with Germany? If he was so knowledgeable, then why was he so incorrect in his judgement?
Now he's meeting with some of our European allies. We need to rehabilitate these relationships. They frayed over the last eight years. Our reputation in the world has been damaged because of some of the policies this president has pursued.
And by the policies of the European nations to capitulate to Islamists and to embrace socialism, which our President rightly opposed.
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